Self Defence and Jail

[James Bond]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/04/us/th ... pe=article

Knowing how to defend yourself and being prepared is important. If you don't have a plan, get on it.

But, knowing the legal implications of using force in your state, country, city, etc is just as important. Otherwise, you're just training to go to jail. And lots of hungry dudes in the showers...

For example,
I used to carry a ku baton around as a keychain. Harmless right? Until I dated a girl who's sister is a criminal defence lawyer in my city. She personally defended clients that had been charged with carrying and using a weapon for having a ku baton in their pocket. Sure, she did her best to keep the sentence down, but still, they were charged with an offence.

I stopped carrying the ku baton around after that. Turns out, that you can only use a weapon of opportunity in Canada. This doesn't include a bat, a knife you carry in your pocket, or even a glass bottle. It might be permissible to use a rock on the ground, or a chair in the bar. But you have to be careful that you use no more force than is necessary to get away and escape the situation. Sadly this is true even in your own home. Notice there's nothing about teaching the other guy a lesson. Or helping a friend win a bar fight.

In many other places however, it's perfectly legal however to pull out a gun and shoot an intruded in your home. But you have to be able to prove that there was a reasonable threat to your safety. Clearly in this case, the court decided that a drunk 19 girl banging on a locked door wasn't deserving of a lethal shot. The consequences for the home owner are pretty severe.

I'd highly recommend taking some time a researching the local laws where you are.

Also, my Krav Maga instructor recommended the book Meditations on Violence by Sargent Rory Miller. Where he explores the limitations of martial arts training in his experience as a tactical squad leader and prison guard. He gives an excellent break down of the different types of violence so you can recognize what you are facing and make the right choice, talk, run, or fight. Depending on the situation, the wrong choice could make the situation a whole lot worse.

[Bravo]

the CCW class here in Az was never a HOW to shoot class, but a WHEN YOU CAN shoot class


countries and states are different

some states let you shoot a hooker if she robs you (and doesnt bang you)

http://nypost.com/2013/06/06/acquitted- ... eft-court/


I reference this all the time here in AZ

http://www.azleg.gov/arizonarevisedstat ... p?Title=13

should be able to find your own, and read the law for yourself

AZ=

13-405. Justification; use of deadly physical force
A. A person is justified in threatening or using deadly physical force against another:
1. If such person would be justified in threatening or using physical force against the other under section 13-404, and
2. When and to the degree a reasonable person would believe that deadly physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful deadly physical force.
B. A person has no duty to retreat before threatening or using deadly physical force pursuant to this section if the person is in a place where the person may legally be and is not engaged in an unlawful act.



NO duty to retreat (what a fucked up world we live in where some places say that)


and the tricky part here is REASONABLE... leaves it open for interpretation



-lastly, Ive taught improvised weapons classes, and my buddy teaches that stuff...to that baddest of the bad dudes around

maybe I will put something together for Bravohood guys to learn that...

[Ice]

Good post James

-lastly, Ive taught improvised weapons classes, and my buddy teaches that stuff...to that baddest of the bad dudes around

maybe I will put something together for Bravohood guys to learn that...

That'd be awesome, would love to see this - know lots of guys can learn from it.

[James Bond]

Improvised weapons course would be awesome!

http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/othe ... index.html

Newer "simplified" law came into force last year in Canada. Above is a legal brief.

Looks like it's easier to justify using force than in the past.

[James Bond]

Just found this randomly.
Seems like California is similar to Canada with a lot being based on common law, and case law.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/self ... nd-the-law

It's a good round table discussion that covers a lot of angles and the implications of actually using force.

[Bravo]

Lots of states have different laws here.

But I don't waste much time reading up on them.

I know about mine= where I live.

And do a little research before I travel.

I also know not to talk to police before I see a lawyer.

Me "leaving out" that I tried to retreat, and wanted to, before I had to defend myself, could mean jail time for me- the victim.

Anything you say can and will be used against you