Steroids.

[Stealth]

Actually, i would like to tip my hat and offer a sincere congratulations to Gaider for trolling the shit out of all of us here.

Well done sir! I fell for it at first

[Teazy]

- Self esteem is the immune system of consciousness.

Gaider, this is your current signature. If you focus on the self-esteem part, your conscious will protect you from thoughts concerned with the steroids or effects they have because you will have you.

You are far more valuable than anything steroids offer, which includes tiny nuts.

[Virgil Flowers]

[Supertrip]

ROFL

Omg this threads gone to hell hahahaha

[Fame]

I plan to do 1 course for 10 weeks then never touch it again. I'd of gained enough mass in this time to look pretty good and I'll just build on my size from that point naturally but here is the thing..

I don't even know what you look like, perhaps a photo would help everyone.

But anyway, you are fucking high as hell if you think you're going to get some sort of super shortcut results on a 10 week cycle.

Check out Greg Plitt, he's all natural, and he's the number one fitness model in America. his website is $10 a month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjElmJxY3qE

If I can go from this: Fractured Rotator Cuff, Broken Leg, Broken Knee cap
http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 0412_n.jpg

And transform from 140 to 178
http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-a ... 0875_n.jpg

then you can do it too, all without steroids, they didn't help me, a 10 week cycle isn't going to help you.

post a picture of yourself too.

[Virgil Flowers]

Check out Greg Plitt, he CLAIMS all natural, and he's the number one fitness model in America. his website is $10 a month. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjElmJxY3qE

Fixed the quote. The fitness industry is full of liars. Plitt is one of the biggest. Endorsement deals and acting jobs based on the illusion that everyone can achieve the same physique as him with hard work.







This is NOT achievable naturally.






Nowadays he may be running lower doses...but you can not keep his low body fat and size year round as a natural. Impossible.

[Fame]

****Claims

However I've seen plenty of Marines I've worked with bulk naturally to pretty big sizes, they weren't cut because they were obsessed with just getting bigger and bigger, but no steroids and bigger than Plitt, just not as cut.

[Virgil Flowers]

Totally bro. I agree you can reach a pretty big size as a natural. And get very strong as a natural as well. Just not as lean as Plitt.

[Fame]

Sucks because my unit is strict about Height and Weight standards, they are suppose to tape you for body fat if you are over weight, but since no one cares to learn how to do bodyfat like that you have to stay under weight. Most I can be is 179.

[Virgil Flowers]

Sucks because my unit is strict about Height and Weight standards, they are suppose to tape you for body fat if you are over weight, but since no one cares to learn how to do bodyfat like that you have to stay under weight. Most I can be is 179.

How tall are you Fame? If I recall correctly it's 5'6"ish? Dude...5'6" 179 at 7-8% bodyfat is fucking HUGE. Frank Zane was on stage at 5'9" 185lbs. Mind you he was juiced...but it offers a frame of reference on weight.



A lot of people don't really realize once you get into single digit body fat how much muscle you really start to lose. I got down to about 10% at 171lbs on my last cut. I felt puny as fuck but one of the guys at work said he thought I looked twenty pounds heavier. Being lean gives the illusion. The leaner you are the bigger you look. But you feel weak as fuck when lifting. Bulking again now...sitting at 180 lbs....around 12%.