Be aware of your surroundings...

[stone]

http://www.king5.com/news/local/Surveil ... 08751.html

Some POS walkin around on the bus with a gun robbing people. He sticks his gun in this guys face who has his headphones in and on his phone not paying attention but his first reaction is to grab the gun and punch the dude in the face. Good for him cause everybody else was just fucking handing over shit without a second thought. Glad they got em.

[Ice]

wow


good reaction by the guy


thanks for sharing this

[stone]

Wanted to add to this a bit and see what you guys think or what you would've done givin the scenario. Plus it ties into bravo's blog post a bit about whats around you and on hand.

Who: Me and the gf. Unknown guy and girl.
Where: Non main road neighborhood. Not a great neighborhood but not terrible either just ok.
When: Approximately 10pm
What: Unknown male and female get into a verbal altercation in the road. Guy is in his truck and girl gets out of truck yelling at each other. She slams truck door and I look out the window, cant see them, and hear what sounds like

female:"You just fucking hit me fuck you!"
Male: "Get back in the fucking car!"

After that I couldn't really make out the argument.

Get up and find my GF whos down in the basement. She runs up. I ask if she has any guns in the house or a baseball bat or anything. She says no.

Tell her to grab her shoes and that there's something going on outside. Make sure she has her cellphone on her as mine is dead.

Once shes ready we head for the door and then I hear the truck rev its engine and speed off before going out.

Get out and they've gone around the corner of the block (3 houses down) but I can still hear her yelling but cant make it out.

We walk down towards the corner. By the time we get there they've turned another corner and we hear the truck speeds off angrily.

We go to that corner but dont see the girl who was yelling. Ok maybe she got back in the truck and left.

Turn around to go back to the house and when we get to the 1st corner a girl is sprinting down the sidewalk on the other side with a backpack on going away from the house.

We walk on our side of the sidewalk somewhat pacing her and I yell out "hey" to try and get her attention but she either ignores me or doesn't hear me.

Hear a truck coming from behind and it sounds/looks similar to the truck I originally saw. The girl stops sprinting and jumps behind some bushes hiding. Truck goes by and gets on a main road and takes off.

We keep walking towards the girl but as soon as the truck is gone she starts running down the sidewalk again. I yell out at her again "are you ok" she yells back "I'm fine" and keeps running. I tried to yell back again but she tried to yell at the same time so I doubt either of us heard what the other said. She went around the corner on the main road and took off outta site by the time we got there. Then we walk back to the house.






For those of you that read this what would you have done differently? Given hindsight is 20/20 but still interested in your input and thoughts.


My personal Takeaways/reasonings
- Get my CWP(concealed weapon permit) so I dont need to worry about finding a weapon

- Before heading out I could've grabbed a knife from the kitchen as something is better then nothing.

- The girl running may not have even been the same girl but given the timing and circumstances I think it was a pretty good chance it was her. Plus why else would she jump behind the bushes when the truck came.

- Why I went out? I went out because after going through training for military police and deployment training I cant allow myself to sit down and do nothing if someone is in trouble. Just not in me to say "welp not my problem" when I know I could do something.

- If she had stopped and said she needed help I would've got her back to my GF's place and either offered her a ride, let her call someone to come get her, or call the police if that was necessary.

- Brought my GF out because If something did happen, physical altercation, truck runs her over, or anything else its always better to have an extra set of hands. She can call the police while I'm in the altercation or she can call 911 while I perform CPR or anything else.

[stone]

Appreciate your input Bay.

Different mindsets but nothing wrong with that at all.

[Irish]

As much as Bay is someone who I greatly respect here, I would have to disagree with his take.

Granted jumping in during the midst of their dispute (like when Stone first observed the situation) may have been premature, when a girl is clearly hiding from a pursuer then it is time to man up.

Sure, she could have been a crazy bitch but one thing seemed apparent...she was running from a pursuer. That at least requires inquiry.

As far as the original video, I rode that same bus route from the time I was 8 until I was in my 20's - solo. Not sure if the area or the world has become more fucked up. I commend the guy who stepped up and eventually disarmed the criminal but it didn't appear he had much training and could have easily been shot. That said, I hope that in the same situation I would do the same (hopefully with more attention to my surroundings than my phone). I would bet that the guy with the gun felt he was invincible and was not expecting any one to fight back.

That's the lesson here.

Don't be a sheep.

[Bravo]

A buddy of mine who was in 75th ranger battalion that I did some gun stuff with years ago, when talking about the Lubys shooting (crazy guy comes into restaurant in Texas and starts killing people, daughter watches her parents get killed, left her gun in car because of shitty laws-google it)

He said he wouldn't even pull out his gun to shoot the bad guy who is in the middle of murdering innocent civilians, unless his life was in danger. He didn't want to "deal with the dumb soccer mom who sues him later for emotional distress, for blowing a dudes brains out"

His mindset= they are responsible for THEIR safety and not his job to risk his life or well being for them.

I have a different mindset.

But have passed on things I felt like getting involved in, because I was either inebriated, unarmed, or with someone who's safety and well being was more important (eg my 8 year old neice or my GF)

Then I call the police.

Domestic disputes are the muddiest waters to swim in. Cops get attacked by abused wives all the times for arresting their man.

No way I would bring my girl into a potentially dangerous situation.

Armed, flashlight, cell phone- would possibly intervene if I felt someone's life was on the line and I could help. But each situation is different.

Science still can't explain why some humans sacrifice themselves for strangers, crazy thing...

[stone]

Bay,

Its not just her its for any stranger. I'd die for my brothers to my left and right when I was in the Marines. While working as law enforcement I'd die for a stranger to and that mentality is still with me as a civilian. Just a different mindset and different values then you have. Like I said earlier nothing wrong with either mindset just different takes on it.

[stone]

I am specifically referring to you playing hero in a domestic dispute in which you are uninformed of the circumstances, with your girlfriend, and not well armed.

I dont see it as playing hero. I followed to make sure everything was ok.

Being unarmed and having my gf with me it wouldn't make any sense if I sprinted around the corner and just jumped in. Even if I was armed w/ or w/o gf that wouldn't make any sense. Thats why I simply walked down the sidewalk. Intel (walking down the sidewalk finding out whats going on) can be one of our greatest "weapons" but if we aren't in a position to act on it (in the house) then it does us no good.

Other scenarios are different and you imply I wouldn't act, which is not true. I just wouldn't act in the situation you describe.

Apologizes didn't mean for that to be an attack or offensive in some way. Was simply explaining my reasoning behind my actions and where we differ in this situation.

What sort of circumstances have forced you to act in the past or what kind of scenario would you see your self interjecting in? Not trying to pick a fight Bay I just find that often we learn the most when opinions differ rather then agree with each other which allows greater introspection.

I have a different mindset.

Would enjoy seeing you expand on that Bravo as I'm sure a few other members here could take something away from that.

Domestic disputes are the muddiest waters to swim in. Cops get attacked by abused wives all the times for arresting their man.

I've experienced that firsthand so I know precisely what you are talking about.

No way I would bring my girl into a potentially dangerous situation.

Good point and one that Bay brought up as well. Thats something I need to take into consideration in the future. Circumstances didn't turn to a dangerous situation this time but in the future they could.